Curse

Mat Thirteen · Sep 08, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Well as im sure most of you know, Guild Wars nerfs one area after another to prevent the subtle decline in prices of weapons. I mean, makes sense. Right? If everything is cheap, then no weapon will be worth anything. Its genius and they know what they are doing. Wait... whats that? They just released an area with overpowered weapons and gold and purple drops at every chest? Well... i wonder what they were thinking. That is exactly what went through my mind when i went to the new areas last night. What the hell are they doing? Can anyone explain to me why they would nerf nerf nerf and then give us the biggest rare item area ever? Doesnt make sense...

Endowed Johnson · Sep 08, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Agreed. I worked my @$$ off in game to earn money to pay top platinum for the items i wanted. Seems as if Monty Freaking Hall is running the show now. Now every draknar's rushed preteen ascalonian has access to all the stuff the rest of us have worked for. The greens and chests GOT TO FREAKING GO. They have obviously caved to much whining.

salja Wachi · Sep 08, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

umm it makes perfect sense. if just about everyone has access to gold and purple weapons then no one needs to buy them fro traders

therefore the prices will fall through the floor and be where they should have been all this time.

no more 100k for a perfect item.

ever hear of supply and demand? the marker will be flooded with perfect weapons and items therefore the prices will come way down in line with the supply side.

in fact most people will not have to buy anything at all.

perfect in my opinion.

Aera Lure · Sep 08, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

in fact most people will not have to buy anything at all.

perfect in my opinion.

I like a little balance but nooo, the above is not perfect imho. Time will tell, but when that happens the desire to farm, trade or search for anything is gone. What would anyone do in PvE at that point? I do think Anet would fix it before we got to that.

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

So let me try and summarize... you are upset because a week ago you paid through the nose for an "UBER GODLY GOLD MAX DMG" weapon that now people can find easily in Sorrow's Furnace. Nevermind the FACT that the "uber" weapon you paid for is only marginally more effective than the weapons you can get from collectors. Nevermind also that ANet has been saying for weeks that item acquisition would become much easier after the update. Sorry, I can't feel sorry for you.

The only people who are really upset about this are the farmers who made a killing selling to people who wanted the over priced stuff. I for one think it's outstanding.

salja Wachi · Sep 08, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

I like a little balance but nooo, the above is not perfect imho. Time will tell, but when that happens the desire to farm, trade or search for anything is gone. What would anyone do in PvE at that point? I do think Anet would fix it before we got to that.

the goal of PvE is not to farm my friend it is for people who like to PvE and want to finish the game.

as anet has stated over and over they want to make the game so you do not have to farm constantly to get good items. this is the solution and a great one at that.

seriously think about it. the point of this game is not to see how much you can sell an item for it is to unlock items useful to your character.

if you want a grind or millions of gold WoW might eb a better game for you

Shadow_Avenger · Sep 08, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Perhaps thats what they want, PvE players to have easy access to items that are of the same quality as the ones freely available to PvP only characters.
Perhaps the reason why loot drops was nerf in the first place was not due to farming, but due to 'Bots'. With the new Key system inplace, it actually reduces the effectiveness of 'bots' so there is no reason not to increase the drops.
Perhaps it will stop the scammers and cut throats from trying to con players out of hard earned plat.
There are plenty of ways to spend and earn gold, spamming towns in not the be all and end all.
Personally I have only ever sold one item to a player, and then it was for 100gp, mainly I give away what i don't need or recycle with salvage kits. Its a game not Wall street.
I play a game, personally I'm not interested in being a GW millionaire as in means absolutely NOTHING.

Digitalblast · Sep 08, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

I found a place where i can farm about 8 ecto/shard drops in about 25-30 mins. Wont post it cause anet may nerf it. Only the henchies and I know it, so ask them dont ask me

. After i get a few thousand i may tell though, or maybe im BS'ing this from the start, yeah thats it. never mind this post.

salja Wachi · Sep 08, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Digitalblast

I found a place where i can farm about 8 ecto/shard drops in about 25-30 mins. Wont post it cause anet may nerf it. Only the henchies and I know it, so ask them dont ask me

. After i get a few thousand i may tell though, or maybe im BS'ing this from the start, yeah thats it. never mind this post.

well considering ecto/shards do not drop in the same spot i am pretty sure you are BS'ing

Mat Thirteen · Sep 09, 2005, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

So let me try and summarize... you are upset because a week ago you paid through the nose for an "UBER GODLY GOLD MAX DMG" weapon that now people can find easily in Sorrow's Furnace. Nevermind the FACT that the "uber" weapon you paid for is only marginally more effective than the weapons you can get from collectors. Nevermind also that ANet has been saying for weeks that item acquisition would become much easier after the update. Sorry, I can't feel sorry for you.

The only people who are really upset about this are the farmers who made a killing selling to people who wanted the over priced stuff. I for one think it's outstanding.

Since you summarized something that I didnt even begin to say anything you said, let ME try to correct you. First of all, i didnt buy an 0037 weapon last week. I dont usually every buy weapons. I have a pretty good weapon for every class in my inventory and thats that. Matter of fact i was thinking about buying a new bow soon, just to mix things up. I will probably benefit from the falling prices.

In response to the things your all not getting though:
1. I didnt say this new area's ridiculous drops were bad. I just said that it was contradictory to everything they have done in the past.
2. If you think prices are going to drop on a gold 5/1 life stealing bow, your right. They are. Problem is the new green items are going to be 100k and be better than your now 40k 5/1 life stealing bow. It solves one problem and makes another. Now your weapon is only good if you get a green one (which is going to be way harder than getting a gold one)
3. Supply and demand has very little to do with this argument. Im going to clear this up RIGHT NOW. Im not saying Sarrows furnace is bad, im saying its CONTRADICTORY. There you go. Understand now? It doesnt make sense that they made this area.

Bingley Joe · Sep 09, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger

Personally I have only ever sold one item to a player, and then it was for 100gp, mainly I give away what i don't need or recycle with salvage kits. Its a game not Wall street.
I play a game, personally I'm not interested in being a GW millionaire as in means absolutely NOTHING.

Wow, I swear I was going to make the exact same post. Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing!

The people who fret so much and so needlessly about the gold in the game amuse me.

I've started calling them Rockefellz0rz

Azure of Sky · Sep 09, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Bingley Joe

Wow, I swear I was going to make the exact same post. Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing!

The people who fret so much and so needlessly about the gold in the game amuse me.

I've started calling them Rockefellz0rz

what about the people who want fow armor. they have to be millionaires.

Shadowdaemon · Sep 09, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

1. You can still farm, you can still make money farming, you just have to be smart about it, as for the MASSIVE increase in drops, i was pissed at first too, because i have a character full of stuff i farmed for, i got my fissure armor from it and half the materials for someone elses fissure armor too, but now that crap i have is worthless for the most part, and i will merch it all most likely.

2. Green items will not be worth 100k ever, because they drop from boss all the time, you can farm the bosses and there are many groups doing so, they are common.

3. I think it is the FUNNIEST THING EVER!!!!!!!! when i think about all the jackasses who paid for items/gold on ebay, only to buy items with it that we are all getting now with zero effort, HAHA YOU MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kamatsu · Sep 09, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Mat Thirteen

In response to the things your all not getting though:
1. I didnt say this new area's ridiculous drops were bad. I just said that it was contradictory to everything they have done in the past.

Then you obviously have no idea why ANet did what they did - they were not trying to make gold items "uber" rare and cost 100+K gold to buy. They did what they did to deal with bots - players runing automated programs which had their character chest farm or farm starting monsters in a region.

Everything they have been working on.. the area nerfs, the chest nerfs, etc has been designed to hinder botter's. Plain and simple.

Now that they have effectively hindered chest botters for the moment, they can increase the drop rates of purple & gold - back to around the levl where they had originally had/wanted the drop rates to be. At least until the botters work out the new chest randomization code and start farming the chest's again... But till that point, we can all enjoy drops the way they were meant to be - with nice and good drops for everyone.. not just the botters, farmer's, etc.

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2. If you think prices are going to drop on a gold 5/1 life stealing bow, your right. They are. Problem is the new green items are going to be 100k and be better than your now 40k 5/1 life stealing bow. It solves one problem and makes another. Now your weapon is only good if you get a green one (which is going to be way harder than getting a gold one)

Since green items are dropping like flies right now for most people, I really don't see it happening. The market will be flooded by green items.. which should hopefully prevent stupidly high prices. Who knows.. I expect all the rip-off merchants to ead to Ascalon to try and pawn the green items off to n00b's there...

Yes, green items are harder because of where they are - but there are enough players able to get to and farm and play in the SF area's... that green items should be plentiful.. as for the pricing of them... *shrugs* we'll see.

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3. Supply and demand has very little to do with this argument. Im going to clear this up RIGHT NOW. Im not saying Sarrows furnace is bad, im saying its CONTRADICTORY. There you go. Understand now? It doesnt make sense that they made this area.

I refer you back to point 1 - Sorrow's Furnace isn't contridictory at all to what ANet has wanted from the start. They never wanted "gold" items to be uber rediculiously "rare" and over-priced. Why do you think they put the 100K cap on what a character can carry? They did that to ner the stupidly high prices... because they have never wanted an "elite" aspect in the game where only certain players have access to items.. Sure getting gold items is supposed to be a tad trickier than getting white.. but ANet had wanted it so everyone.. be they casual or serious player has the ability to get everything in the game if they wanted them..

Blame the botters for forcing ANet to do what they did, but SF isn't contridictory to ANet's purpose and wants, it's more of a settting things back towards the way they have always wanted things to be.

trelloskilos · Sep 09, 2005, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Mat Thirteen

Since you summarized something that I didnt even begin to say anything you said, let ME try to correct you. First of all, i didnt buy an 0037 weapon last week. I dont usually every buy weapons. I have a pretty good weapon for every class in my inventory and thats that. Matter of fact i was thinking about buying a new bow soon, just to mix things up. I will probably benefit from the falling prices.

In response to the things your all not getting though:
1. I didnt say this new area's ridiculous drops were bad. I just said that it was contradictory to everything they have done in the past.
2. If you think prices are going to drop on a gold 5/1 life stealing bow, your right. They are. Problem is the new green items are going to be 100k and be better than your now 40k 5/1 life stealing bow. It solves one problem and makes another. Now your weapon is only good if you get a green one (which is going to be way harder than getting a gold one)
3. Supply and demand has very little to do with this argument. Im going to clear this up RIGHT NOW. Im not saying Sarrows furnace is bad, im saying its CONTRADICTORY. There you go. Understand now? It doesnt make sense that they made this area.

I see what you mean - it is a bit contradictory, but here's the deal (And sorry if it sounds a bit Fanboi-ish)

Pre-update, the gaming experience seemed to be focused mainly on money and the aquisition of. There was no incentive for people who wanted to play beyond Thunderhead Keep. Just a few mission, an Elite skill or 2 to cap, and not much else. Meanwhile, these players were farming out high-level areas such as the high Shiverpeaks, UW and FoW, and selling any "Uber-rare" finds at LA. The story and the missions became arbitrary. People just seemed to want to go for the farming, not for the end-game.

With this focus on accumulating money & going for the "Ub3r rare" items, the economy has suffered, bots developed and plat sold on Ebay for real money. Going into LA became unbearable cos of traders spamming their "Ub3r Godly", charging 100k+

I don't think this was the game that Anet wanted people to play.

Post-update, with the sudden influx of golds, the introduction of Greens (and also ensuring that the Greens do drop in the same spots), this pretty much nerfs the greedy traders. The key system nerfs the bots, the price reductions eliminate any excuse for players to consider buying Ebay gold, and some of the new quests are only obtainable once Hells Precipice is completed, giving the player a new incentive to complete the game instead of hanging around LA spamming "WTS" all the time.

Tijger · Sep 09, 2005, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Endowed Johnson

Agreed. I worked my @$$ off in game to earn money to pay top platinum for the items i wanted. Seems as if Monty Freaking Hall is running the show now. Now every draknar's rushed preteen ascalonian has access to all the stuff the rest of us have worked for. The greens and chests GOT TO FREAKING GO. They have obviously caved to much whining.

Yeah great, except some ppl dont have the time to spend days on end farming and acquiring cash to buy that top plat item, now do they?

This gives everyone a reasonable chance at acquiring very good items for a reasonable expenditure, I snagged a nice sup absorp yesterday which gives my char and all my future char's enough gold to get them into nice armor and weapons. I'm sure you object to that but thats too bad, this game isnt only for people who spend days farming.

Endowed Johnson · Sep 09, 2005, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Yeah great, except some ppl dont have the time to spend days on end farming and acquiring cash to buy that top plat item, now do they?

This gives everyone a reasonable chance at acquiring very good items for a reasonable expenditure, I snagged a nice sup absorp yesterday which gives my char and all my future char's enough gold to get them into nice armor and weapons. I'm sure you object to that but thats too bad, this game isnt only for people who spend days farming.

one word : faction.

Other than that, all I ask is don't penalize those who HAVE worked their butts off for something, then just hand it out valuables to everyone for the simple cost of an outing with henchies. But then again, I no longer consider Greens as valuable. They are even less valuable than collector's items, many of which CAN be modded. I'll pay 500g for a green... tops. Anyone who pays more for one is just too lazy to trudge out to get one of their own. The most desirable stuff will always be gold, green is nothing but ferrari engines in AMC pacer bodies. It'll perform, but so will a 2 dollaho.

Tijger · Sep 09, 2005, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Endowed Johnson

one word : faction.

Other than that, all I ask is don't penalize those who HAVE worked their butts off for something, then just hand it out valuables to everyone for the simple cost of an outing with henchies. But then again, I no longer consider Greens as valuable. They are even less valuable than collector's items, many of which CAN be modded. I'll pay 500g for a green... tops. Anyone who pays more for one is just too lazy to trudge out to get one of their own. The most desirable stuff will always be gold, green is nothing but ferrari engines in AMC pacer bodies. It'll perform, but so will a 2 dollaho.

One word: PvE.

You play PvP obviously, I dont, most of my friends who play the game do not engage in PvP either and half of them dont even know it exists or how to get into it. Everything is a compromise, you feel 'cheated' but I feel they've adressed an issue for new and/or less frequent players nicely.

What I would suggest is placing level limits on items for PvP for instance, this should apply as well to something like Droknar armors so that lv8's can no longer use them in the lower level arena's. That I would be all for, not to take away the chance of gaining good/great items for people who like the game but dont have the time to work their way to 100K.

Bingley Joe · Sep 09, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Azure of Sky

what about the people who want fow armor. they have to be millionaires.

What about them indeed? If they are "fretting" "needlessly" about getting it, I would call them Rockeffellzorz. If they are just playing the game and having fun getting FoW armour for themselves, I wouldn't say anything.

It's the very concept of "working your butt off" that I don't understand.. Working? Working is for making real money. If you're not having fun earning money in this game through simply playing it, then maybe it's time to ask yourself what you're up to, people....

EternalTempest · Sep 09, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Anet has been trying to control the ingame economy and to date it's been nerfing which causes much headache / hassle and backlash. They try a tweak here and tweak there, but it has not taken affect. So what Anet has down is the flood route. Flood the game with items, drops, gold, gold item (has increased), and now a method to reliable get green. That way by saturating the market everything goes down in price. Another way to think of it is this, the found a way to make everyone in game know the equivalent of "collectors" as common knowledge.